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adamo

ok people, any thoughts on why so many people wanna get the 'praying hands' or 'only god...blah blah blah' or Jesus on the cross or whatever the latest rapper is wearing? Surely no-one believes in all that religion stuff in this day & age? powerful imagery it may be, but it ain't gona save you from a rum soaked sailor & his whip & we all know that we're gonna be worm food along with the god fearing weak willed martyrs that keep exploding. just think for yourselves before you subject your poor tattooist to another cliched nightmare. I don't care what ghosts people worship but if I have to do another Tupac xerox tattoo on a wannabe gang banger, well, I think I'll explode.

Liz · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject:

that's an interesting topic actually Smile

My sister is Christian and she has some kanji symbols like "God's daughter" and "Hope" tattooed on her.

My family is Catholic (and my sister has decided to go under the Christian church not ours although they are similar). I wear a cross as a neclace and it means "hope" and not anything to do with God, it only would if God was actually on the cross.

So a cross without God, is not religious. A cross with God is. There's a difference Laughing

You have a good point though.

I'm going to get a peace symbol on my wrist, I only like what is stands for and (freedom, no war etc) not exactly the whole hippie 60's thing, though I have researched it.

yep, you have it right. They are just Wannabes. Most of them. Real christians probably wouln't get God tattooed on them anyway, but some do and because they truly believe in God - as tattoos are allowed in that faith.

rowdy · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: bored

Adamo if youre so sick of religious tatts tupac tatts why dont you refuse to do them ,sorry but i cant agree you take the money right,so dont forget you provide a service to the public ,if youve had enough you wont give every tattoo your best.We have jobs that are the same every day,you have a talent if youre sick of doing the tattoos then its easy DONT DO THEM.my tattooist wont do flash or anything he doesnt like he turns thousands of pounds of work down rather than do stuff he doesnt like.If youre so pissed of you might explode youre in the wrong job.As paying public we expect 100 percent from you, if youve just done youre fifth tupac i dont care its not my problem but if youre so peed of with it you shouldnt be doing it.im not trying to be rude but if you dread doing them perhaps its telling you its time for a change .what if you didnt have a customer for weeks then 5 tupac tatts came in would ya be pissed off then or gratefull, attitude is important and i dont think it comes over very proffesional if youre bitchin about your artform . Confused

sleewell · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject:

i agree with rowdy 100%.

if your taking jobs only for the money than you are in the wrong profession. it should be your passion and if you aren't able to give each and every job everything you have than tell that person you cant do it. if you don't believe in god or religion that is fine, but don't talk down on people that do. i don't preach my beliefs to people and i expect the same in return.

Liz · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

My tattooist has twice been hesitant with me - over the subject of one and the postion of the another. And also he wouldn't do a wrist one when I was 18.

ak2689 · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:21 am Post subject:

ive got a celtic cross and the only reason i got it was because it looked good

adamo · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

hmmm, let's clarify.
no-one ever gets turned away from me because I'm not crazy about their design, they deserve my best & get 100% while they are in my chair.
I turn people away if our thoughts are on different planets about the tattoo they want, because it won't ever work.
I'm never rude to a person who asks me about a tattoo idea they've got, even the person who wanted me to tattoo 'vote Labour' on her arm,
I don't do everything people request because some ideas just will not work if I do them, i know what I'm good at so no point in me doing a tattoo style I don't yet have a good eye for, especially when there's others in the shop who excel at it.
Nothing is ever done for the money, If it was just a job there's much easier ways to earn much more money.
I've just got home knackered from 12 hours work & I'm sitting down to draw up a chest piece for tomorrow. it's the same most nights.
I love tattooing & religios images are among the nicest to do, so I do them,
but,
it is dis-heartening when people stroll in clutching the latest CD or football magazine & want 'that tattoo' because the design is validated by the superstar sporting it,
that was my point in the post,
No I don't like religion but that's just me, who cares? i doesn't matter.
I sometimes wonder how many 'lads' who get the 'Beckham Angel' would have laughed at the design before he made it famous.
maybe 30 years ago the old timers got dis-heartened when the customer pointed to the same old bulldog flash he'd tattooed a million times.
the difference now is we can get whatever we want, not just the flash on the walls.
So is MTV & CD covers & Lads/pop star magazines the new flash?
that was the question.

rowdy · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: sick of this

Sorry to differ but your original post slagged of those that believe in religeon ,you clearly stated if you had to do any more hands or tupacs youd explode ,now youre saying religeous tatts are the nicest to do??.IMnot trying to diss you but you have a great responsability to the public .Even if you hate the same old things youre doing please dont forget, it may be the fifth tupac that day but for your customer its there first and they will be so excited to be getting it .you have a great talent ,i know when you get home you have to start drawing for the next day ive seen it with my own artist,but surely you must understand it comes with the job please believe me i know how hard you work and i tell you ,i couldnt do it.BUT if i heard my tattooist say im sick of doing these types of tattoo i would be out the door .I know its a poor anallogy but if you went to the dentist and heard him say im sick of pulling out the same effing teeth you wouldnt be very happy would you?

sleewell · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject:

ok, now i agree with adamo more than his initial post, what is going on here? can we stick with our original viewpoint?

i agree it would get rather annoying to see people come in and want the same tattoo that they saw on someone from MTV all day. i would tell them to think for themselves and be creative. i know a lot of shops around here wont do stuff that is an exact copy of anything someone famous has, its just downright stupid and doesn't respect the artist that created it in the first place.

it sounds like you are very passionate about your job and you certainly work longer days than i ever do. but then again i am stuck in a cube and you get to put art on people, so i think you win. i can see your frustration and as long as you are not bashing religious beliefs i am ok with you venting your frustration about all the stupid kids that don't think for themselves.

adamo · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

read it again.
I said religious art is powerful & the tattoos are nice to do because the art is beautiful & lends itself well to tattooing. the message behind the art is irrelavant to the CD carrying customer.
my moaning was about the sheep that follow what this weeks heroes are sporting on their skin instead of thinking about what is going on in their own heads. religion only comes into the discussion because that's what the designs they request are about. because they are the most popular style asked for by the people who want to be a bit 'bad' but still safe on Sunday.
it could be whatever Johhny come lately popstar is wearing.
the people getting the superstar stamps are no more religious than me, which just confirms my original post.
hope this is clear enough to understand.
& the dentist analogy is dodgey, no-one goes to the dentist by choice, they go because their teeth hurt or look so bad. anyway I love my work but my dentist can't enjoy his because he is always looking down in the mouth.

rowdy

NO i wont read it again your first post said it all now youre getting a few comments ya dont like and are clearly trying to wriggle out of what you said and yes i can understand your comments .gloves off youre a pissed off tattooist that insults religous people so what does it matter what people want on their bodies ,youre a tattooist but ya dont like the hours you work its your choice if ya dont like the hours the designs the mindless religeous people the young people that want a football hero or pop star then change jobs.you look down on these people as idiots ,obvious from your first post but i bet ya do the tattoos ya hate call them a prick when they have left the shop and count the poor suckers money .you are the service provider ,if ya understand?you work for us the customer we bitch at you ya know why because we pay the money not you!!you offer a service but ya dont like it when you are asked to provide that service .Now you read your first post again and tell me im wrong in my assumption of what you said and really meant.

adamo · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

oh dear, stop crying,
i didn't bleat about the hours i work, i told you of my long hours to illustrate that i dedicate many hours in my day to the work i love, because i want to, not because my boss whips my bottom & tells me what to do. it's my choice. my decision. my life. thinking & doing for myself.
(deja-vu anyone?)
which in turn, if you read properly would show you that i don't do it for the money, because i don't make more money than my truck driving father or my dentist brother. & i certainly haven't made any money drawing this mexican rosey skulled sombrero girl all night, but she's looking good despite the cries from my laptop.
as far as i'm concerned, religion is unnuecesary & causes problems from the cradle.................
if you read the first post you'd know that 'repitition' was my whinge, so i ain't gonna repeat myself.
i am not a public servant until that person gets in my chair,
i don't like arguing on the forum 'coz ya seem to misunderstand & have a customer chip on your shoulder.
so we can argue over a tattoo that i would be doing you for free on my day off. it's a sincere invite & some of my tattoos are on the gallery so you can see what sort of stuff i do. we can argue all day!

rowdy

dont worry i wont cry im simply replying to your origonal whinge .theres certainly no customer chip on my shoulder im just sick of tattooists moaning about the hours blah blah blah.i told you if you read it you have a talent, are you a pissed of apprentice that only gets bread and butter flash work to do??.the point is if you dont like what you do (remember youll explode)then you owe it to yourself to do something that wont make you so angry and bored it makes you feel like blowing up.we have two different points of view,its a good thing we do im certainly not going to start getting nasty theres no need i assume were old enough to exchange opinions without getting shitty with each other, but dont forget you came on this site going mental about how only god con judge you (NOT)well dont forget if ya post stuff like ya did you will be judged by everyone and in youre job its not proffesional to come out with the comments you have if anyone wants a tupac or religious tattoo i think they had better go to a tattooist who by his own admission is likely to explode while hes tattooing you.now weve both had our say lets leave it at that eh? lifes to short

adamo · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

it's hard to leave a discussion when my point has been completely missed, I am not articulate enough to get it across on the forum,
but you are right, this is going no-where.
life is indeed too short
so cheers & take it easy,
Adam.

rowdy · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: sorry.

ok adam sorry for any offence caused mate mayby i just wish i had your skill cant imagine being able to do what you do mate good luck speak to ya later

Liz · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject:

I'm not adding oil to the fire (or whatever that is supposed to be), but If I really love something I would like it tattooed. So if someone loves Hanson still then they should be able to get a tattoo of the band then. Same goes for Tupac or anyother thing. It may seem crap or overused to you but to them it's something special. No one gets tatts to be like everyone else, they get them to show their love for things.

Liz · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject:

oh BTW i got my peace symbol and my tattoo artist gave me this long story about the real beginning of the symbol (bacause me own parents aren't interested!) and I was so happy about that. I researched it but I really liked how someone took their time to discuss it with me. And to me it means my strong views about what's going on in the world right now and with how i disagree with people owning animals as pets (over breeding etc) and little things like that. That I won't give up on trying to save animals who go to shelters because breeders keep breeding and people keep dumping.

They are just my views and I'm certain some people think they are gay but to me they are me.

the magician · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:07 am Post subject:

Liz what do you mean by disagree to people owning pets? You have pets yourself please explain. Confused

sleewell · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:

i think what she is talking about , and i do agree with her (correct me if i am wrong), is that is wrong to keep breeding dogs in puppy mills when we are killing so many dogs at the pound everyday. people that live in tiny apartments think it is ok to own a dog and keep it cooped up all day and eventually realize how dumb they are give it to a pound to be killed. if you want to own a dog you should have a yard and enough time and money to provide it a good life. you should also adopt it from the pound instead of supporting inhumane puppy mills that are inbreeding and are only in the business to make money. dogs deserve better and people that treat them that way should suffer the same fate as the dog in the pounds.

rowdy · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: pets

I totally agree with you sleewell mate i have 3 dogs and i can tell you they are treated just like the rest of the family,even better than me most times .i never get my belly stroked or big kisses all the time. Smile

Liz · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:47 am Post subject:

yes, thanks sleewell, that's what i meant Laughing

and today (saturday mind you) i applied for my ultimate dream job- veterinary nursing - here you have to go to uni to bacome a vet nurse so I hope I get it. fingers crossed.

the_mothman · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:

Not read the entire thread cos I'm too fuckin lazy Twisted Evil

however I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts on the whole religion subject.
Obviously adamo is a non believer then fair enough. However I wonder if he'd be interested in passing his theory where we (as a species, planet, universe) come from?

I love challenging people on this subject.

For the record I'm not an athiest or agnostic. I do believe in something more powerful than myself after I die. I don't believe in a set religion (i.e I don't follow christianity, catholosism and nor am I jewish or muslim).

I used to be agnostic but then I never really thought about it before.
I am a believer in evolution and I also wear a cross round my neck.

Everyone else?

Liz · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject:

I come from a religious background but have always been encouraged to follow my own beliefs.

So I agree with reincarnation and my symbol is the phoenix, and I am trying to do something for the environment in my studies at Uni (but if I get this nurse job I won't be)!

adamo · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject:

ello, religion versus evolution? i'm with Darwin. thats why i love my chimp tattoo,
as far as i can see religion is just a set of rules invented by megalomaniac control freaks who wanna tell you what you should believe & who you should follow, they don't want us to realize that we're clever or stupid enough to think for ourselves.
the commandments are probably a good set of morals to get you through life, but c'mon, mum & dad taught me what's right & wrong without the fear of god hanging over my innocent little head.
i don't believe anything that's taken from a book of fiction & tells me i'm going to hell if i don't follow their stupid rules. all leaders & preachers have a selfish agenda
fuck'em & stay free.

Liz · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:40 am Post subject:

I think you should be free to decide what you want to believe, certainly.

if I was Christian I'm sure I'd have sinned sooo many times and I haven't even broken a law or cheated on a partner Laughing

chic · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:

Well done everyone for keeping their cool on this subject...

Most forums don't allow the subject of Religion to be discussed because there are so many beliefs out there, so shall we agree to disagree...

Thankyou for keeping it even...

chic · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:16 am Post subject:

My tattooist, wont do any religious symbols on me...or names.. Razz

the_mothman · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:35 am Post subject:

Again that's not specifically answering my questions.
I would class myself as a believer in 'god' (whatever form that power takes) but I'm not necessarily a follower of the teachings of any particular faith (i.e. the 10 commandments etc).

Where do you believe we came from adamo?

adamo · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:

well i dislodged my amoebic self from the claustrophobic confines of my mothers bosom & swam away from the coral reef like most rebellious teen ameobas, i drifted for a bit, fell in with the wrong crowd & i shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die, whilst on the swim from the law i got washed up on the sea shore so i grew some legs, then some arms & wriggled up to north London. luckily when i got to the crossroads at Muswell hill i took a right turn & picked up some tattoo machines, i've never looked back although some of my early customers might have.
in other words, how would i know where we came from?
but we are physical lumps of blood & guts so i'm pretty sure we weren't magically teleported to earth with a click of the big man or womans fingers!
& if we were, where did he spring from?
you say you like challenging people on this subject mate, which makes me think you have strong thoughts of your own....
so please share them with us lost souls....
cheers for your nice comments about my work by the way, they helped ease my hangover.

adamo · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject:

forget everything i've ever said, tonight on the telly the news says that over 30 people have been shot dead by a gunman in America,
meanwhile according to the 'blue suede jew' programme on bbc2, Elvis is communicating with a jewish man & his brother via telephone & letter & mysteriously stocking their house with 'the paper of the toilet', he counts spoon bending loon Uri Geller amongst his friends,
unfortunately i haven't paid my sky bill so can't top off the night of madness with miami ink.
i don't know wether to laugh or cry.
leave Elvis alone.